Remember when Kylie Jenner was declared the youngest self-made billionaire and everyone got up in arms about it?

Well, I do.

Because I wrote that story.

I spent hours talking to Kylie and Kris Jenner.

And on the podcast, infamous, I'll be playing tape recordings of them.

No one has ever heard.

Because it turns out they may or may not have lied to me.

Where'd you want me to be?

You have to be with them here.

So, we're back at Kris Jenner's house in Hidden Hills.

I'm hovering by a big dark wood dining table waiting to be told where to go.

I'm here to sit in on a meeting with Kris Kylie and a couple of people who work on Kylie Cosmetics.

Thank you the most important thing was talking about pop-up.

Yeah.

Kylie acts as something of a creative director, accepting or dismissing suggestions from everyone else.

Sometimes Kylie completely smacks down her mom's ideas.

And the ubiquitous dismissive childway that will sound familiar to any parent.

She's most concerned with aesthetics.

And like everyone in California, myself included, she talks in terms of facts.

It's about the way I take a whole group of facts.

Just as Ellen's seen my other life.

Any of the people who feel the right, if I need those facts, then I'm not.

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