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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Owning at the Anxiety podcast with me, Caroline Forren.substack.com. Thank you. Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to owning it the

anxiety podcast with me, Caroline Forin. This week, my guest is returning for the third time. His name is

Dr. Ethan Cross, and he is an American experimental psychologist, neuroscientist, and New York Times

best-selling author who specializes in emotion regulation. He's also a professor

of psychology and management at the University of Michigan, and he's the director there of the

emotion and self-control laboratory. So he knows his stuff, it's fair to say. His new book,

Shift is all about how we have a lot more power to move in and out of specific emotions, a lot more power

than we might have previously thought. We have a really granular conversation here about unpacking

what is an emotion, are we labelling emotions correctly, how do we interact with emotions? Do we

have control or power when it comes to emotions? As always, it's through the lens of anxiety,

so I hope you'll find it super helpful,

and I'll be back next week.

Dr. Ethan Cross, welcome back, your third time on owning it. I don't think I've ever had a

guest on three times. Oh my goodness, I feel completely honored and privileged. As I mentioned right before we hit record, it's been looking forward to this conversation.

It's always super fun.

I love our chats and I love them because you are such a qualified expert.

You have so much, so many strings to your bow.

You're so deep into research and you've done it,

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