A Mother's Betrayal: The Chilling Forensics of the Daybell Children's Deaths | Part 1

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

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🗓️ 9 May 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the harrowing case of J.J. Vallow. They reveal the disturbing details of J.J.'s death, the challenges faced by forensic pathologists in examining J.J.'s remains, the presence of GHB in his system, the crucial role of preserving evidence, and the potential for uncovering latent or plastic prints on surfaces involved in the case. Please join us on Thursday for part-two when we go in depth on Tylee Ryan’s autopsy.

Time-codes:

00:00 - Introduction.

00:55 - Joseph and Dave discuss the tragic fates of J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan.

01:10 - Dave shares his emotional struggle discussing the case's horrific details.

03:00 - Joseph describes courtroom reactions and limitations on gruesome evidence presentation.

04:10 - Dr. Garth Warren's role in transporting J.J. and Tylee's remains for examination.

04:40 - Explanation of bodies found in separate locations in Chad Daybell's backyard.

06:35 - The concept of clandestine graves and significance of the children's burial locations.

8:35 - The contrasting, peaceful burial site of JJ.

9:30 - Differences in the treatment of the children's bodies and what it reveals about the perpetrators.

11:35 - Police observations leading to the discovery of J.J.'s remains.

11:50 - The careful excavation process at crime scenes using gridding and documentation.

13:30 - The state of J.J.'s remains found wrapped in plastic bags.

14:20 - Joseph describes the emotional impact of finding the person they were searching for.

16:00 - Joseph explains careful handling of remains at the scene.

17:00 - The importance of maintaining a chain of custody for the body.

19:00 - Despite decomposition, J.J.'s recognizable face and the preference for scientific confirmation.

21:15 - Discussion on toxicology limitations and GHB presence in J.J.'s system.

24:05 - Joseph shares experiences with hesitancy during autopsies and preserving evidence.

25:50 - The process of examining J.J.'s remains while avoiding compromising evidence.

28:15 - The importance of considering fingerprints on adhesive materials like tape.

29:20 - Unraveling duct tape or bags on a victim's body to determine the cause of death.

31:00 - Heartbreaking details of J.J. Vallow's death and his struggle before dying.

33:00 - Dave's sadness about J.J. Vallow's suffering and awareness during his death.

33:30 - Joe announces a follow-up episode discussing the death of Tylee Ryan in depth.

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0:00.0	Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
0:20.4	You ever have those moments in life you're waiting for information, you think about the information
0:27.5	that you're waiting on and in your assessment you know that whatever that information is it's not
0:33.9	going to be good. The understanding of that is the following to what degree is it going to be
0:40.9	bad. Our watch we're today is a word confirmation for years now and I mean years. Many of us have
0:50.0	followed the case of JJ Valow and Tyler Ryan. Today we have confirmation. We have confirmation of
0:59.6	something that we've had swirling around in our minds for a while. We have confirmation
1:07.1	that it is as bad as we thought that it might be. Today we're going to talk about the findings
1:14.4	of the forensic pathologists who testify in a trial of Lori David.
1:19.9	I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags.
1:29.2	Dave Mac, I'd like to say that I enjoy what I do as a podcast host. I truly do look for
1:37.5	to the time that you and I spend together discussing cases and discussing forensic and everything.
1:43.7	I got to tell you something brother. I'm not looking forward to this. For the past 24 hours we've
1:48.9	been kind of listening to everything that the scientists have had to say in the Lori Valow trial.
1:56.1	It is heartbreaking. It is horrific. I don't know that that I have enough adjectives to begin to
2:04.6	describe it when taking what I know of the science of trauma and forensics and melding that with
2:14.7	what these kids experienced in their last moments. The Lori Valow day belt trial is going on.
2:22.4	Tyler was 16 years old, two weeks away from her 17th birthday. JJ, just a little fella,
2:30.0	seven years old and they went missing. When we first started covering this case, it was a
2:36.5	missing child case. There are two children missing and we don't know where they are. But her mom,
2:43.5	the tiley's mom, JJ is in Hawaii and has married some guy. So we were backpedaling trying to put
2:51.9	these pieces together. We already know that JJ and tiley are both gone. They're both passed away,
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