Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is David Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am here today with Darrell Owens. He is a policy analyst at California Yimbie,

which says for yes in my backyard, and an activist at East Bay for everyone. You can find

Darrell on Twitter at I Do The Thinking. Daryl Owens, thank you for joining me on Kurt Affairs.

I'm glad to be here. It's such a classic Twitter name. I've thought about changing it a

couple times, but... No, you do do the think it's not, it's not wrong. It's not wrong. But it's

super arrogant. And you have a substack too, right? Don't you? Yeah, the discourse lounge. You can find it

through my Twitter account. It's linked at the bio. Darrell Owens.com.

Yeah, that's it.

That's where you provide sensible and informed commentary on housing and urban development.

Yes, and transportation politics, too, and a lot of social issues.

I want to thank you for allowing me to be here.

I'm very glad to talk to you about this.

I do want to start off by saying

that I do apologize for being kind of a jerk like a long time ago.

We got to set this up for people because if my listeners don't know, you and I have been

quietly or loudly

antagonizing one another online for a period of time. I had some, I had good commentary, I think,

but I made comments that were unwarranted that were personal about your drip. And it's not,

it's not, that wasn't necessary. You got a great fashion. I am an easy person to make fun of. No, no, you know, your drip. And it's not, it's not, that wasn't necessary. You got a great fashion.

I, I am an easy person to make fun of. No, no, you know, your fashion looks great. When I was in school, I used to wear suits all the time. I don't, I don't know why I said that, but it's just

like, it was distracting. It was distracting, it's dumb. And for real, like, I've actually matured a lot over. You know, but, but Darrell, see, I like it when people make fun of my clothes

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