Good morning. It is three minutes after 10. And you are listening to James O'Brien on LBC.

How would you divide the world, do you think? Or at least the country, the population of this country.

I think when I say the word migration or immigration or emigre, which is the word I'm going to try and use instead of immigrant moving forwards,

because I think that the word immigrant has been

sullied somewhat and quite deliberately by various people so emigre is the one that I prefer

I think you can split we can split ourselves into three can we there are people who's and I

think it is an intersecting Venn diagram. All three of these circles intersect each other.

Goodness knows what it's like to be in the very middle

when you've got a foot or a finger in each of these three camps.

But I think there are three camps.

I think that you have people whose heart sinks, genuinely.

People who just think, oh, Lord.

And I think the reason why your heart sinks is partly because of the strength of feeling

or the attitudes of the people in the other two camps.

So today you turn on your favorite radio station, LBC, and your favorite presenter, Sheila Fogarty,

but James O'Brien is still on.

And he says, today we're going to talk about immigration and you go, oh, flip it, heck.

So that's camp number one.

Camp number two is the, what you might call the red meat munchers.

Today we're going to talk about immigration.

Before I've even got to the end of the word, you're ringing me in a state of righteous fury

to complain about everything from traffic jams on the M25

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