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Hello, a little wiser listeners, and welcome Erica Gerard, my co-host for today.

Hello.

We are going to talk about last week's episode with Laura Cathcart-Robbins on her story of addiction to Ambien.

And we have lots to discuss about numbing, about how we numb, why we numb. But Erica, what would you say, I think you're really good at

distilling like the essence of an episode, the key message and theme. So listening to Laura's

story of how she ended up addicted to Ambien and her path out, what would you say this,

the heart of the episode is about?

Well, I think there was a lot of takeaways from this episode, but the one that really stuck

with me was the cost of not being who you are at the heart of it.

And there's all kinds of ways that we cope.

And addiction is one of those ways just to numb out and not feel, turn off, whatever coping

mechanism works for you. Some of them are healthier than others. Yeah, it was this notion that

to some extent, and I think everybody can relate to this on a different level of double life

sounds dramatic. But in her case, she moves to L.A. She's married to a sort of up-and-coming

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