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I'm Rebecca LaVoy and this is crime writers on the podcast about other podcasts and also about true crime pop culture journalism.

And this week we will look at the latest legal victory for cereals and non-scied another court affirms the decision to give him a new trial.

But it's any closer to freedom then we'll look at the binge worthy podcast maybe empire on blood a journalist introduces us to the scariest drug dealer in the Bronx who just may be in prison for a murder he didn't commit joining me to dive into all that is my true crime call author and real life husband Kevin Flint good evening Kevin I'm feeling the love Rebecca you are I am people love me good enough I'm smart enough whatever the hell that we'll talk about that in a second all right also.

Where this is journalist true crime author license private investigator former defense investigator and certified cat lady lar breaker hello lara hello yes my cats have the fever right now the spring fever so yeah catch fresh fever yeah but literally they like sit at the door now because we started letting them out a little bit because they were strays when we got them.

And so they they've gotten the fever then and they scratch like they're digging a hole through the glass she's got the fever and the only thing can cure it is more cowbell.

More cow.

Yes and more and finally you know no more cats finally where this the acclaimed novelist behind the city trilogy and the crime writers on book club dungeon master Toby ball hello Toby.

Dungeon master yes where did that come from didn't you play Dungeons and Dragons in high school Toby like Kevin did.

No what the dungeon master was in charge of making everything happen that's right yeah well I've you know I know what the dungeon master does but I didn't I didn't play.

When I was a senior in college we were in this quad and then there was like this tiny little courtyard then on the other side was this like lounge and they had like Dungeons and Dragons club.

And like eight o'clock on Saturday mornings yeah so I would wake up after a long night of having fun to like people like you know I've got a.

It's level or on my tail.

It's just like shut up.

I'm trying to sleep I have a son right now who's really into Dungeons and Dragons and a it's.

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