Hello and welcome to another episode of Iway with Jameela Jamil, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I want to warn you upfront that this is not an easy lesson because

we are dealing with the subject of sexual trauma, sexual assault and the incredibly tricky

aftermath of that, especially for someone who is queer or gender non-conforming.

My guest is Jamie Windas, they are a wonderful model and speaker and advocate and writer

and general all around good human being.

A few years ago they were subjected to a terrible trauma at the hands of someone else sexually

and we do not go into details as to what exactly happened to Jamie because I wanted to be

very respectful of their privacy and to not re-traumatise them in their generous move to come

on to this podcast and unpack something that is very difficult for anyone to talk about.

But I'm deeply honoured that they chose me to come and discuss this with very personally,

very thoughtfully and I think their motivation for wanting to talk about this subject with people

could not be more beautiful because I think they felt very alone at the time that it happened

and they don't want anyone else to feel that way.

And we really get into the weeds of how different trauma looks in all kinds of different people.

In this episode we discussed the experience of sexual assault but mostly the immediate effect

that had on their mental health. We discussed the services and support available to trans,

queer and unbinary people and why it's important to ask for support.

And we discuss exactly how trauma responses look so different than everyone and how there is

really no right way to feel. I think from films and books and TV and songs we have this

kind of finite idea of what trauma is supposed to look like in ourselves.

And therefore we can't spot it when it comes in more covert ways and from different angles

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