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I don't know what most white people in this country feel. I can only include what they feel from the state of their institutions.

Now, this is the evidence. You want me to make an act of faith risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sister, my children

on some idealism which you assure me exists in America, which I have never seen.

So today we have a very special guest, Alan Mays, who, Alan, I saw your story that we are about

to have the chance to have you share with us. And it was just shocking to me. Not only because

it's just on the face of it, kind of a shocking story,

but because of how much it rhymes with some of the stories that we've already told on the podcast.

Like, some of the stories we told it opening up our redlining episode, we told two stories that,

I mean, you could have copied and pasted your story into that episode.

And it would have just been another example.

But it wasn't happening.

Those other stories happened in the 1950s.

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