I don't know what most white people in this country feel, but I can only include what they feel from the state of their institutions.

Now, this is the evidence. You want me to make an act of faith risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sister, my children, on some idealism which you assure me

in America, which I have never seen.

Aaron, before we have the listeners here this next episode, we just finished the episode

filming or recording it, and it is dynamic is dynamic like it is how you feeling so I said something after

we stopped recording that I think I'll say here is in this episode we don't completely agree on

some of the perspectives which I think adds so much value.

Right.

Because usually when we interview people, we kind of see eye to eye on most of our, like,

the worldviews are so aligned that we're just kind of talking the information,

but from the same perspective.

But this interview, uh, our guests who will introduce in a moment,

he comes from a different perspective.

But in that interplay of the conversation, I think that there is a lot that we can pick up on and sharpen,

like, come to a understanding of both perspectives. Yeah. That actually leads to like a higher understanding

of how, of what's going on, what the dynamics are. And so I think there's a lot of value and I think it was

a really interesting conversation. And speaking with Dr. Rogers, our guest that you guys are

going to hear up next, he just reminds me of so many of my elders. One thing you have to understand

is that black people are not a monolith. And there are so many different conversations that we have

not under the white gay. So a lot of the things that he was saying are not unfamiliar to me.

But it was just really an interesting conversation. And I have so much respect for him,

even though I respectfully disagree on many points. But I think it's still just a helpful

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