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Hello, I'm Harriet Gilbert. Thank you for downloading a good read, the podcasts,

where two guests and I recommend books we love and describe why we love them.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I hope you'll find some great reading

suggestions here. Hello, it's great to be back and with me today the musician Stephen Morris,

drummer with joy division and now new order, composer, record producer, and author of a memoir

of which Volume 1, Record, Play, Pause, confessions of a post-punk percussionist,

has just been published.

With Stephen, the comedian and songwriter Pippa Evans, a regular on such radio four

programs as the Now Show and just a minute, and among much else, a core member and assistant

artistic director of Showstopper, the improvised musical, which is currently touring the UK.

Pippa, to you first, what is your choice of a good read? My choice is the Shepherds Hut by Tim

Winton, who I came across actually when I was 18, I went to the Riverside Studios, which is a theatre

in London, and saw Cloud Street, a play that was about four hours long, which to most 18-year-olds, of course, is the worst. That's double the length of a normal play. So this is an awful experience. And we all fell in love as a school trip. We fell in love with this play. And I thought, who wrote this amazing story. And it was Tim Winton, who I then discovered it wasn't a play,

it was a book, and then became obsessed with him. And I found the Shepherds Hut when it,

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