This is an I-Heart podcast.

Man, did we get lucky with the timing of this?

Our next guest we could talk to, I could talk to for the next three hours easily,

because he's one of the leading thinkers and a couple of the hottest topics going right now.

So Greg Lukiaanov, New York Times bestselling author, the president of

Fire, which is a foundation for individual rights and expression, all about free speech. That's

with Jimmy Kimmel losing his job. Does that fit into that whole topic? He's the author of

unlearning liberty, campus censorship, and the end of American debate. Cancelling of the American Mind, cancel culture, all about cancel culture, which is hot right now, of course.

And then part of this free press series on repairing America after the murder of Charlie Kirk.

And this particular piece that I've gotten from me from Greg Lukianov,

bury the whole words are violence cliche, which I would agree with.

Anyway, welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty show.

Greg Lukianov.

Greg, thanks for joining us today.

Great to be back.

Man, you obviously are the man of the moment for a whole bunch of these topics.

Let's start with what you just wrote,

Barry the Words or Violence cliche around the whole Charlie Kirk thing.

What are you talking about?

Yeah, you know, I've been defending free speech at fire for 24 years now.

And I'd say when I first started my job,

the sort of activist argument that words can be just like bullets was something that people kind of rolled their eyes at because it was obviously a sort of self-serving rhetorical.

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