Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. This next interview is with someone that the people at Meta, Facebook's parent company, do not want you to hear from. It's with Sarah Wynne Williams, a former executive at Meadow, who's out with a memoir about her time at the company. It's titled Careless People. And the higher-ups

at Meta have successfully stopped Wyn Williams from promoting the book, for the moment anyway,

but not before she talked to NPR Steve Inskeep. And in this conversation, they get into the inner

workings of the company, Win Williams' observations on how it dealt with censorship and authoritarian

regimes during

her time there and how meta-CEO Mark Zuckerberg viewed the world like a board game.

That's ahead.

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The social media company Meta gained an injunction against a former employee this week.

She is now banned from discussing her criticism of the company.

But before that injunction, Sarah Wynne Williams recorded an interview with NPR.

So we will play that conversation.

Wyn Williams wrote a memoir of working with company leaders, including Mark Zuckerberg

and Cheryl Sandberg.

Why do you call the book Careless People?

Because it's true.

In what way are they careless?

In the smallest and biggest ways, little things like how many people who worked at the

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