There's a better way to do this.

Let me show you a better way.

A better way.

So my boy. What?

Okay folks so an unconventional live stream episode live powers for those on that channel and for those online and we're going to do things a

little bit differently today. Matt and I have talked a lot over the years on and off

about different things to do with soil. I come at this from a perspective of just an entrepreneur who decided to be a farmer who built a little duck farm and

started making different types of compost, playing with cover crops, playing with a biochar and things like that.

And Matt comes at this, what I would refer to Matt as is a citizen scientist.

Matt breaks out the microscope, actually understands what's going on and also very big into the Korean natural farming Japanese

article farming stuff with IMOs and the interesting thing to me is over about a decade we came from very different perspectives and we kind of have ended up in the same place by different mechanisms.

And so what I'd like to do for my audience who may not know you that well Matt is do you just tell us like I

know at one time you were a school teacher and now you're like this crazy renegade soil

scientist the elevator version how does that look? How does that happen?

I just kind of kept serving the needs of the students and it went from permaculture to

entrepreneurism to soil science and then the testing for soil science because soil is the

lynch bin to everything we do in permaculture it became the failure point for

almost every single like problem that I encounter for my students.

Once they got the topographic map down which is the most common permaculture

you know PDC failure point.

But it was soil that I just kept getting deeper

and more curious and I kept seeing these open just kind of like laying there obvious to me and I'm like

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