Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome, and I am Karen Hunter, and I host a radio show Monday through Friday, 3 to 6 p.m. Eastern and Pacific on SiriusXM Urban View where talking powers and becomes action. And I get to talk to

some amazing people. We are on mission on the radio show. We're talking and this year, it's really

about empowerment, giving people the tools and the weapons that they need to build the life that

they need to live. We all live somewhere. And so I also get to talk with interesting folk like this woman let me welcome her to

the podcast because I'm bringing her in for a specific reason the great the illustrious the one and

only Jane Elliott welcome yes you are all of the things you have been with your exercise of separating your class on the heels of Martin Luther King

being assassinated, showing your homogenous class of what we call white children what it looks like

to be racist in this society, I think was groundbreaking. Now, so, wait, wait, wait, wait,

I didn't do what it looks like I made them

experience what it feels like and you can tell people and show people what it looks like until

hell freezes over but until they get it find out how it feels they won't change right but that

was almost 60 years ago. And we're more divided, some would say, today.

Right. Absolutely. We are closer to have having a similar today than we have ever been.

So make it make sense.

Well, it makes sense because we have had 35, 40 years of having people say it's all right

not to be white and having those people who will listen to it agree but go down into the tunnel

and say these folks are wrong and we are going to show

them that they're wrong. We're just going to wait until we get the proper numbers again,

and then we can overdo this, undo this whole thing. We can upset this apple cart if we just

wait long enough. And they waited long enough until they got somebody like a

dinosaur's tea rump to run for the presidency again. And now they're going to upset this apple

cart. These racist people have not decided to change. They have decided to not change,

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