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HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs

A Conversation with NAVAC at AHR 2025

HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs

Bryan Orr

Training, Careers, Airconditioning, Self-improvement, Hvac, Business, Education, Refrigeration, Heating, Ac, Apprenticeship

4.8985 Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

In this engaging episode of the HVAC School Podcast, host Bryan sits down with Jesse from NAVAC to dive deep into the evolving landscape of refrigeration technology, focusing primarily on the transition to A2L refrigerants. The conversation offers a refreshingly pragmatic approach to addressing industry concerns about these new, mildly flammable refrigerants, dispelling myths and providing practical insights for HVAC technicians.

The discussion begins by addressing the most pressing question for many technicians: Do you need to buy all new tools to work with A2L refrigerants? Jesse from NAVAC provides a nuanced response, emphasizing that while there are currently no regulations mandating new equipment, the company has proactively developed tools that are safety-certified and compatible with the new refrigerant types. They explore the intricacies of safety certifications like UL and CSA, explaining the differences between UL Listed and UL Verified, and highlighting the importance of intrinsically safe equipment, especially for tools like vacuum pumps and recovery machines.

NAVAC's approach goes beyond mere product promotion, with Jesse positioning himself as an educator first. The podcast delves into the technical details of A2L refrigerants, challenging common misconceptions and providing context about their flammability. Bryan and Jesse draw parallels with previous refrigerant transitions, noting how technicians were initially skeptical about R-410A but eventually adapted. They emphasize the importance of best practices, proper training, and understanding the actual risks associated with these new refrigerants, rather than succumbing to fear-based narratives.

The episode also showcases NAVAC's latest technological innovations, including smart probes, a Bluetooth scale, a smart valve for charging and recovery, and an advanced vacuum pump with a one-touch oil testing feature. These tools represent the company's commitment to improving technician efficiency and safety, with features that address real-world challenges faced by HVAC professionals.

Key Topics Covered:

  • A2L Refrigerants
    • Myths and misconceptions about flammability
    • Comparison with previous refrigerant transitions
    • Safety considerations and best practices
  • Safety Certifications
    • Differences between UL Listed and UL Verified
    • Importance of intrinsically safe equipment
    • CSA and ETL certifications
  • NAVAC's New Tools
    • Smart probes with Bluetooth connectivity
    • Advanced vacuum pump with automatic oil testing
    • Flex manifold with digital accuracy and analog feel
    • Battery-operated pumps with improved run times
  • Industry Trends
    • Preparation for A2L and future refrigerant transitions
    • Regulatory changes and efficiency standards
    • Importance of technician education and adaptation

Additional Insights:

  • No current regulations require new tools for A2L refrigerants
  • Proper training and best practices are crucial
  • Technicians should focus on understanding new technologies
  • Safety is about awareness and proper procedures, not fear

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This episode of the HVAC School podcast is brought to you by our brand partners.

0:09.0

Navak and the Navak NX1 Nexus Digital Manifold Gage.

0:15.0

Trust me, I tried it recently. You're going to want to check it out.

0:18.0

It's sturdy, it has a great hook, has a great look. It connects

0:21.3

wirelessly and integrates with the My Navak app. It's got the micron gauge. It's got the external

0:27.1

temperature clamps with a digital display right on the clamps. I think you're going to like it. Find out

0:31.8

more. HVCRSchool.com slash NX1.

0:40.2

He's the best looking man in his office when nobody else is there.

0:44.8

Brian Orr.

0:46.4

We're here at AHR 2025.

0:48.5

That's the year, in case anybody was wondering what year it was.

0:51.7

In Orlando, HVAC School podcast, I'm Brian. This is the podcast that helps

0:56.1

you remember some things you might have forgotten along the way

0:58.0

as well as helps you

1:00.0

remember some things you forgot to know in the first place.

1:03.0

And I'm here with... Sorry, what was your name?

1:06.8

Jesse. I'm here with Jesse Stewart from Navak.

1:09.9

Just so full of jokes right out the rip.

1:11.9

I am just right off the rip. Full of jokes.

1:14.7

For those who are listening, he actually owes me that one from the last podcast because I called him out on it the first time.

1:21.3

So apparently, because you don't want to tell inside jokes without people knowing what's going on.

1:25.1

That's why they're inside jokes, Brian.

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