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Hey it's Jim.

Thank you so much for listening to you from that.

Tonight we're doing something a little different.

I'm giving you an interview I had with Carl Feiffer for the Patreon feed.

In it, we talk about his involvement with Hellier and some of his perspective on the phenomenon in general.

Why I'm posting this is because I'm back out on the road in shadowy locations learning unreal stories that I can bring back here to the podcast.

What that's done is interrupt our production process.

I'm sure that's a little bittersweet, but we're rolling with the punches as life opens back up and the road calls once again.

What this means is we may just in season four where we're at now and very soon start a season five.

You can expect more new Euphamette episodes very soon until then join us over at Night Drift, which is restarting soon.

And on Patreon and follow Euphamette at Euphamette and me at it's Jim Perry for all the breaking news about what the hell we're doing here in this very familiar yet strange world.

Enjoy this conversation, Darcy Stanforth and myself had with Carl Feiffer in front of a live Patreon audience and keep looking up.

So first I'd like to introduce officially Carl Feiffer, who has been passionate about the mysterious uncanny and supernatural in the world around him.

Director of the groundbreaking episodic series Hellier, Carl won the first season of sci-fi's Ghost Hunters Academy and went on to appear on Ghost Hunters International.

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