I like the way that you always managed to.

You'd make a very, very good professor in a seminar, Eve.

Because you bring everybody out of themselves and you push everybody around in the right kind of direction, I think.

Yeah, not literally push because it's 2026 and we know that that shouldn't happen,

which takes me back to Vladimir, which I did try and give it another go.

And?

No, I just don't know why, Jane.

You need to give it a go because I might just be completely missing something.

And I did read.

I actually had to mop up some of Nancy's wee this morning.

And I had to do that with the observer.

Oh!

And I found myself reading their review as I was dabbing the wadowing.

What did it say?

In the review of Vladimir?

Well, all about, you know, it's about time somebody made a TV program where the female gaze is the kind of subtext of it.

And I completely get that. I mean, I get why it's a great TV show to make. But there's something about it that just made me, I don't know, I just didn't like it, Jane. I just didn't like it. Did it make you feel a bit? Well, I must give it a try. I'm still with the missing headmaster's wife. Okay, so that's a very different educational drama that you're seeing there. It's on the ITVX. But some of my friends say it's that Vladimir's super. Yes, so there we go. I think a lot of people have put off because they think it's about the other Vladimir. Yeah, it is an unfortunate first name to be using at the moment. It's a odd. I think's a novel, isn't it? They've just taken the... Presumably, yeah. But there are quite a lot of... You know, there are lingering shots in episode two of Leo Woodall's man spreading and stuff. And that does... It does make me a wee bit uncomfortable. But as you know, my hand is never very far away from the clutching of pearls. Absolutely. Well, you and me both. So you go for it and let me know what you think. Well, we were both a bit stunned today to be told that we were doing an item on the radio show, get the Times Radio App, it's free. We're on Monday to Thursday between two o'clock and four, and about this Punch the Monkey. I actually thought it was an item about animal cruelty. And I thought, why are we doing this? But it's... It's lovely, isn't it? It's a heartwarming tale. But why is it a heartwarming tale that neither of us knew much about? I confess I hadn't really heard about it. This is the baby monkey who had a very nasty mother who abandoned him.

And also the rest of his troop at a zoo in Japan turned on him as well. And he was all alone and had to just settle for an IKEA cuddly toy. It's very sad. But now he's been welcome back. Yeah, well, good, so they say. So it does have a happy ending.

I've just been shown, you know, as you quite often are, aren't you? Just shown something on a phone.

And you don't know whether or not to really deeply engage with it as a subject that might

change the world or actually allow your thought patterns to carry on doing what they

were doing beforehand and just nod.

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