This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host. This is the James Altager show. All right, we'll get started.

There's so many ways I want to introduce this guy.

I'll just say real quickly, Jarvis one of the best photographers in the world

also the founder of Creative Live which is all these master classes on

creativity peak performance, everything.

If you haven't watched Creative Live, you've got to check out just all of the 100% of the

episodes these had there.

I've been on Creative Live, Live right or a version of it.

And so this is Chase Jarvis you just wrote a book called Creative Calling which I

really think is a Bible of creativity like I read and reread I started folding pages and then I realized

I realized I was folding every page so then I started like outlining but I didn't always have a pen around and so I don't know I just

ended up essentially realizing every page is going to get folded and I'll have to

figure it out as I go along here. But first off I have to give you a big thank you that's three years overdue

When I was on your show the first thing I asked was how can I be a better photographer? I had never really been a photographer, but I was always intrigued. I love looking at photography and I wanted to learn what you would say.

And you said to me,

find out what kind, figure out what kind of people you like to look at.

And I said to you right away in response, sad people.

And then you said, okay, go outside, find someone who's sad or you like their expression on their face

and go up to them and say,

hey, can I take your photograph?

Which was, I thought was an interesting way to do it as opposed to just taking their photograph

because there's that extra, that there's that extra challenge there which upon thinking about it was

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