Welcome to the Animal Law Podcast.

I'm so excited about today's episode.

We're going to be talking once again with Wayne Chung and Stefan Sites,

which they've been on together before, but they've both been on before.

But we're going to be talking at long last about Wayne's conviction in Sonoma

County, California, in an open rescue case. Well, sort of an open rescue case, but more than that.

And all the issues on appeal. And I'll tell you, there are some issues on appeal. Just a quick reminder

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And I'll just do a brief introduction, though I imagine both of these gentlemen are known to a lot of you.

Weinstein is, of course, an animal rescuer, theorist, lawyer, co-founder of direct action everywhere,

blogger at the Simple Heart on Subsection.

And I believe if everything has worked out a seminarian or a soon-to-be renewing being a seminarian,

which the New Yorker just wrote an article about

today, which I just saw. So that's something. Not everybody goes to seminary and has the New Yorker

write an article about them. Stefan Sites is a litigation fellow at the Animal Activist Legal

Defense Project at the University of Denver, where he represents animal advocates and whistleblowers

in criminal and civil proceedings. And I have to say, since they founded that clinic,

the whole world of activist defense in this movement has completely changed. Like, it exists.

There used to be when activists would do something that they might get arrested for. They were just out there.

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