A Brexit Miracle?: The Protocol Deal Explained
The Owen Jones Podcast
Owen Jones
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🗓️ 2 March 2023
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Has Rishi Sunak managed what some believed to be impossible: won meaningful concessions from the EU over the Northern Ireland protocol? What does the deal mean - and is it workable? And where now for Brexit?
We're joined by former diplomat and Brexit expert Dmitry Grozoubinski, and Colin Murray, Professor of Law and Democracy.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the show. Let me just change that. I'm a lot of mirror |
| 0:17.2 | there. Yeah, I think that's fine. You can tell that I'm flying blind today by myself. |
| 0:22.5 | You may have noticed me do this occasionally and it doesn't always work out for the best. |
| 0:25.5 | Let's just pull it mildly. Today we are talking a very impromptuous show, but an important |
| 0:30.3 | show because we are talking about the Northern Ireland deal, which has just been announced |
| 0:35.8 | with great a plomb by Rishi Senaku is you may have forgotten I occasionally do the prime |
| 0:40.9 | minister of the country as the Windsor framework. Now, Northern Ireland piece is, I think, one |
| 0:45.7 | of the most sacred achievements of the last 30, 40 years in this country, whatever disagreements |
| 0:51.0 | I have a new label, which I've listed at length, it was one of their great achievements |
| 0:54.6 | that ended a conflict, which took the lives of three and a half thousand people on both |
| 0:59.7 | sides, of course, of in terms of what Ireland and on the UK as in the UK as well, a pretty |
| 1:06.8 | gruesome conflict, which was brought to an end by a lasting peace. And part of that good |
| 1:11.1 | Friday agreement was that whilst Northern Ireland would remain part of the UK, though with |
| 1:17.8 | the potential for a referendum in the future to change that status, there would be a porous |
| 1:22.5 | border between the North and the South, slight hitch, we had a referendum, remember that? |
| 1:28.8 | And we left the European Union, which then opened the question of what the hell happens |
| 1:33.7 | given Northern Ireland is outside of the EU and the Republic of Ireland is within. Now, |
| 1:39.1 | we're going to talk about that, the Northern Ireland protocol, which was set up in the |
| 1:42.1 | aftermath, but there has been lasting tension over this because of a border between it down |
| 1:47.2 | the Irish Sea. Theresa May famously said, no British Prime Minister could ever agree, given |
| 1:52.7 | she was, of course, the Prime Minister of the Conservative Unionist Party, it's full name. |
| 1:56.8 | So, we border down the Irish Sea. Boris Johnson, I mean, he went and claimed that he got this |
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