3, 2. 1. John Ronson, welcome back. Joe, it's good to be back.

It's good to see you again.

Very good to be back.

What's happening, man? How you been? I've been good. What's happening man? How you been?

I've been good.

The lot floating around this neighborhood.

Yeah, I've spent a year on porn sets.

Just research.

Oh, research. All research.

It did.

My wife did say to me once or twice, do you really like,

you really have to go to another person,

I've just finished making a series for audible called the Butterfly Effect and the flap of the

butterflies wings which I'm tracing throughout the series is this young man called Babian who's like a tech nerd in Brussels and he has the idea to get

rich from giving the world free-pawn so free-streaming porn so the series is about the kind of tech takeover of porn in the valley

I'm doesn't he know that that's already real oh no this horns everywhere yeah

no that was back that was back in the day. That was like in the 90s.

Oh so Fabian Fabian gave the world pawn hub.

Okay. So it's fiction. No no this is this is all true. So, okay, let me go back. Okay. So in the 90s, this kid called Fabian would like, Fabian Tillman, so a young boy in Brussels was like a tech nerd, would like go on

compulsive and swap porn passwords so get porn for free, like this is how people got

porn for free back in the 90s. And then he had like a sort of eureka moment which is I can I can

give the world YouTube for porn. Right. So he bought up this fledgling company in Montreal called, it was called

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