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The Matt Walker Podcast

#99 - Insomnia in 7 Days with Dr. Aric Prather

The Matt Walker Podcast

Dr. Matt Walker

Medicine, Science, Social Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.8995 Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Sleep expert Dr. Aric Prather joins Matt today for a fascinating discussion about insomnia's frustrating reality: trying to force sleep backfires; sleep arrives naturally. Dr. Prather highlights a surprising starting point: forget focusing on bedtime, prioritize a consistent wake-up time, even weekends. Noting that this anchors your internal clock and builds essential sleep pressure (the 'balloon'), he also cautions that sleeping in after a bad night disrupts this cycle. After touching ...

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0:00.0

Hi there, it's Matt here and welcome back to the show and welcome back to another of the guest

0:08.5

episodes. My guest today is the fantastic Eric Prather. Eric, a PhD, wonderful guy. He is a leading

0:19.0

expert in sleep science and behavioral health. He is serving as

0:24.5

professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the University of California, San Francisco,

0:31.4

just across the bay from me here at the University of California, Berkeley. He is the director of the UCSF Center for Health

0:39.9

and Community, and he co-directs the UCSF aging, metabolism, and emotion center. His research,

0:48.8

in my mind, it's significantly advanced our understanding of how sleep impacts physical health, immunity,

0:56.8

as well as emotional well-being, meaning that he's just one of those people who has

1:02.5

plurality. He just seems to be able to annoyingly do everything.

1:06.3

Eric's work is frequently featured in high-impact journals and media outlets like The New York Times and

1:13.4

NPR. His fantastic new book, The Sleep Prescription, Seven Days to Unlocking Your Best Rest. You

1:22.7

absolutely need to go out and check it out. It's a wonderfully informative, elegantly written in terms of

1:29.4

digestible bite-sized chunks, seven-day guide, and not just seven-day guide, but from morning

1:36.6

to evening on each one of those days guide. He has just an exceptional ability to translate

1:42.1

complex science into actionable strategies.

1:45.0

It's not just that you understand the science, you understand what to do with it.

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And I think his insights have really reshaped how we view and manage sleep health in both

1:54.0

clinical and everyday settings.

1:56.9

So without further ado, Eric, welcome to the show.

2:00.3

And I'll first ask you maybe just give some background in addition to that.

2:05.7

And don't be shy.

2:06.7

Don't be modest as to what you do, but also just how did you get into sleep science?

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