985: Truth Seeking with Hans and Birgitta Mattsson Pt. 2
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.5 • 5.7K Ratings
🗓️ 27 September 2018
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Join us for our highly anticipated follow-up interview with both Hans and Birgitta Mattsson during our recent trip to Sweden to visit with those who attended the original "Swedish Rescue" fireside in November, 2010. Our first interview with Hans and Birgitta was released on July 22, 2013 and is noted as one of our most important releases given Hans' church leadership pedigree as a bishop and stake president in Sweden before serving in the LDS church 3rd Quorum of the Seventy from 2000-2005 in the Europe Central area under LDS Apostle L. Tom Perry, as well as the sincere struggles with testimony that both Hans and Birgitta faced after his release as an Area Authority.
In this two-part interview, we relive both Hans and Birgitta's ascent through the LDS Church, we elaborate for the first time on Hans and Birgitta's experience receiving the Second Anointing (a rarely-talked about temple ordinance reserved for those in the upper echelons of the LDS Church and described in detail during our epic interview with Tom Phillips), and we discuss the motivations for writing the book, "Truth Seeking: The Story of High-Ranking Mormon Leader Hans Mattsson Seeking Sincere Answers From His Church but Instead Finding Contempt, Fear, Doubt ...and Eventually Peace."
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| 1:28.0 | Okay, let's go ahead and talk about whatever you're comfortable sharing about the second |
| 1:33.0 | anointing. My sense is that our listeners would love as much detail as you're comfortable |
| 1:38.0 | providing, even if it's repetitive to what Tom Phillips shared. For those who have never |
| 1:42.0 | listened, we did interview with Tom Phillips who is a British gentleman who served, I think, |
| 1:47.0 | as a resident twice, worked with the area and then eventually received this ordinance called the |
| 1:52.0 | Second Anointing. Please go back and listen to that. It's definitely in our top three most popular |
| 1:57.0 | episodes of all time. But don't feel like you need to worry about repetition. What can you |
| 2:03.0 | tell us about? Number one, how you even maybe were selected because we remember from the |
| 2:09.0 | Tom Phillips interview, one of the, you know, for those you don't know, the second anointing |
| 2:13.0 | is the special secret ordinance that Mormons can receive if they're kind of reaching the |
| 2:20.0 | upper echelons of leadership or financial contribution to the church, frankly. And it's this ordinance |
| 2:27.0 | where you go to the temple and you're basically, as I understand it, promised that you've |
| 2:34.0 | arrived at the celestial kingdom and you're sort of, you're calling an election as made sure. |
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