I'm Levy Dalton and this is all drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the wine business. Oh, Kottel Plovin of the Vine Collective on the show today.

Hello.

How are you?

I'm well, how are you?

I'm pretty dandy.

I gotta be honest with you. Oh, that's good. You look dandy. Yeah, well first time for everything. So you're in the wine business now, but it wasn't always that way and

used to do a little bit of the showbiz and what was that about?

That's a very hard question.

What was it about?

It was probably about all the wrong things.

I think any time you meet a young actor,

you have to be very suspicious about what their motivation is,

to be in that business.

It's, there's a wonderful part of the business, like any other business,

it's got its great parts which is the the writers the art the history that preceded

Hollywood you know there's some spectacular writing in the change the way that we think even you

know Shakespeare changed the way that we thought and certainly the way that we

express what we thought. So there's terrific parts of that that I do think if you're open as a young actor they

infect you or they affect you. They penetrate somehow. But I think anybody's motivation to become an actor is to be a star of some kind,

which is usually not a good idea. And it's not a good idea because I think there's so few of those that make it and then when they

make it most of them don't appreciate being there you so much. I know a lot of people who are in the public eye who wish they weren't so much.

So I think it's the motivations to become an actor are a little bit

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