So Money episode 978, Paco de Leon, financial expert and founder of the Hell Yeah, group.

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Welcome to So Money. I studied finance and economics because, you know, I come from an immigrant family and I was like,

I have to do something practical. There's nothing more insulting to immigrant parents than being like, I'm going to get an art degree

and I was like I'm going to disappoint them in a lot of ways and I can't do it with this.

Can finance be fun? Obviously that's why we're all here, right?

Welcome to So Money, everybody.

I'm your host, Farnouche Tarabi.

My guest today is on a mission to make finance loads of fun.

Paco de Leon realized that she had a knack for understanding and explaining money in a way that was enjoyable and made people actually want to learn.

After many experiences in banking and consulting, she realized that what she was really good

at was helping creative people understand their money creatives and that

led her to launch the Hell Yeah group and become the co-host of Refinery 29's Money Diaries

podcast. You just heard her talk about her immigrant upbringing, the influences

that that had on her way of thinking about money.

And we even dive into some of her personal experiences

in her marriage to her wife

and how the two of them manage money decisions

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