96: January 6th: One Year Has Passed…Have Things Gotten Better with Norman J. Ornstein
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🗓️ 6 January 2022
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Host Reed Galen is joined by Norman J. Ornstein, a Senior Fellow Emeritus at the American Enterprise Institute to discuss the long term transformation of the conservative movement, personal accounts of January 6th and the year-long aftermath that our nation has witnessed, and why can’t the institution that is Washington D.C. seem to wake up?!
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gill. Today, I'm joined by |
| 0:13.3 | Norm Wernstein, Senior Fellow Emeritus at the American Enterprise Institute, where he's |
| 0:17.7 | been studying politics, elections, and the U.S. Congress for more than four decades. |
| 0:22.0 | He is in New York Times and Washington Post's best-selling author, and his articles and |
| 0:25.9 | op-eds have been widely published in a variety of outlets, including Foreign Affairs, |
| 0:30.2 | Politico, the Wall Street Journal, and the Atlantic. He also often appears on just about every |
| 0:35.2 | major television news outlet. Norm has a PhD in Masters in Political Science from the University |
| 0:40.4 | of Michigan, Go Blue, and a BA from the University of Minnesota, Go Gofers, and is freshly back in |
| 0:45.8 | the continental United States after a holiday escape to Hawaii. Norm, thanks for joining me today. |
| 0:51.3 | That's always a pleasure, Reed. So, you and my dad go back away, and I think I first met you |
| 0:56.5 | several years ago, in the context of sort of political reform, and you know, the political system is |
| 1:02.5 | one that you've been literally and figuratively at the middle of for many years. So I want to talk |
| 1:07.6 | today about January 6th and how you remember it, the idea of why DC can't seem to have the scales |
| 1:13.6 | fall from its eyes. But first, I want to get your perspective on the conservative movement. |
| 1:19.2 | Obviously, AEI, longtime center right think tank, long ago to place for folks in the Republican |
| 1:26.5 | and conservative firmament to give speeches to establish ideas. So when you came to DC, I think in |
| 1:32.7 | the 70s, you were a professor at Catholic University, and you quickly got the reputation of being an |
| 1:37.3 | expert, especially when it comes to Congress. So think back to then and to where we are now. |
| 1:42.6 | Could we still call it a conservative movement? Do you think that there were people who always had |
| 1:47.5 | this sort of overarching authoritarianish thing in mind, or is it one of those things where they had |
| 1:53.7 | policy ideas and ideological goals, and the monster got out of the box? You know, we could speak for |
| 2:00.3 | hours on this read, but just to go back, I came here in the fall of 1969 as a congressional fellow |
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