95: Trump’s Next Coup has Already Begun with Barton Gellman
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🗓️ 5 January 2022
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Host Reed Galen is joined by Author and Staff Writer at The Atlantic, Barton Gellman and Lincoln Project Senior Advisor Joe Trippi to further explore the ideas laid out by Gellman in his latest article for The Atlantic, “Trump’s Next Coup has Already Begun: January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.” They discuss January 6th and its aftermath, the mind of a “stop the steal” believer, the twisting of state election laws by Republicans, and a look ahead to where we as a nation go from here.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, before we get going today, just want to remind everybody of all of the programming that the Lincoln Project will do around January 6th. |
| 0:08.5 | That is a date, like FDR said so many years ago that will live in infamy in this country. |
| 0:14.5 | Too many of us are still walking around with scales on our eyes, not understanding the import and just how close we came to losing this country. |
| 0:23.5 | And guys, we're still close. |
| 0:26.0 | The hour is late, but the work is not over. I hope you really enjoy and take to heart this interview we're about to do, and we will see you this week. |
| 0:34.5 | And now, here's the show. |
| 0:44.0 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gaillan. |
| 0:48.0 | Today, I'm joined by legendary Democratic strategist, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, and host of that trippy show, Jo Trippy. |
| 0:55.0 | Jo, happy new year, and welcome back. Happy new year, Reed. Great to be with you. |
| 0:59.5 | And our special guest this week for the upcoming anniversary of January 6th is Barton Gelman, author and staff writer for the Atlantic, where he recently penned the article, Trump's next coup has already begun. |
| 1:10.5 | January 6th was practiced. Donald Trump's GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election. |
| 1:17.0 | Prior to his time at the Atlantic, Bart spent 21 years at the Washington Post, where he covered legal, diplomatic, military and Middle East issues. |
| 1:25.5 | He graduated with highest honors from Princeton University, and earned a Master's to Grand Politics at University College Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. |
| 1:32.5 | His most recent book is Dark Mirror, Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State, and he comes to us today from his home in New York City. |
| 1:40.0 | Bart, thanks for joining us. |
| 1:42.0 | My pleasure. |
| 1:43.0 | So, Bart is the one year anniversary of January 6th approaches this week. |
| 1:47.0 | Jo and I want to have a deep dive discussion on your recent article in the Atlantic, which I think I tweeted was a gut punch, even as someone who spends nothing but all day, every day going through this stuff. |
| 1:58.0 | And so, you know, you look into January 6th, what led up to it, its aftermath, and examine the twisting of state election laws by Republicans in some states. |
| 2:07.0 | So, let's get into it. I want to start with a quote here, and it's from Richard L. Hassan, a professor of law and political science at UC Irvine, and you talked to him in late October. |
| 2:17.0 | He said, quote, the democratic emergency is already here. |
| 2:20.0 | Only a year ago, he was cautioning me against hyperbole. |
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