Okay, everybody, welcome to the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I am your host. This is my show. I appreciate you tuning in. I hope you're doing okay out there. My guest today is Lydia Yuknovich. She has a new memoir out called Reading the Waves, available from

Riverhead Books. Reading the Waves is about art and memory and relationships and healing and family.

It's one of those memoirs that delivers itself via a beautifully braided narrative.

I loved reading it and I loved talking with Lydia Yuknovich,

who returns to this program for a fourth time,

but it's the first time that she has guested in nearly eight years.

I had a wonderful conversation with Lydia

Yuknovich, and that is coming up momentarily. So don't forget to sign up for my weekly email

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I also share a list of links to things that I've been reading and finding interesting.

And don't forget to check out my new venture.

I have a new company in the works. It is called DeepDive, and it is a company that creates long form educational audio, more like ultra-long form. And the first course that DeepDive is producing is called How to Write a novel. It's a literary course. More than 50 hours of never before heard conversations with dozens of today's leading writers. I am in post-production now. I am working

like crazy to get it done so that we can launch and I'm very excited about it. So you can check out

deep dive on the internet at www.dipdive.

Audio. Sign up for the deep dive newsletter if that interests you so you can stay in the know

about the company's launch. And if you are somebody out there who is a tech person, I am in the

market for a white label app delivery system for this

company and this audio. I'm kind of perusing right now. That's part of the process. And I am not a tech

expert. But if you are and you know this sort of thing, email me letters at other ppl.pPL.com. I'd be curious to hear from you and would

appreciate your insight. So I also want to say thank you to everybody who listened to the first

character study episode of this program, which went live this past Sunday. Character study is a, or Character

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