In the making of the episode you're about to hear, we record a call between a

founder and investors where the founder made this huge pivot because of COVID-19 and

now she's absolutely crushing it, which was surprising and impressive.

But then the subject of software patents came up and the investors started getting

all riled up about the ways in which a patent can hurt a startup.

I thought patents were supposed to protect a startup. I had no idea.

Anyway, the call was super interesting, so we decided to turn it into its own special episode for

Pitch Plus subscribers.

It features investors Sarah Downey and Phil Niedel, who are very passionate about patents.

The episode is live right now and it's available for Pitch Plus subscribers only.

Just go to Pitch. show slash Plus and sign up to get ad free listening plus special

episodes like the one we published today called the patent trap. Okay coming up

after this how are the startup founders who called into our show at the beginning of the pandemic doing now?

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