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Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais

95% of Creative People Struggle With THIS | Wieden+Kennedy's Neal Arthur

Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais

Dr. Michael Gervais

Sport Psychology, Finding Mastery, Mental Health, Mindfulness, Business, Self Help, Michael Gervais, Health & Fitness, Mindset, Psychology, Self-improvement, Education

4.7 • 1.7K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

What if the real challenge of creativity isn’t coming up with ideas… but creating the conditions where people believe in them enough to fight for them?

Today, we sit down with Neal Arthur, Global CEO of Wieden+Kennedy, the iconic creative agency behind culture-shaping work from Nike’s “Just Do It” to Coca-Cola and McDonald’s. Neal leads one of the world’s most inventive creative agencies, yet his lens on creativity isn’t about chasing brilliance. It’s about building the trust, safety, and belonging that allow great ideas to surface — and stick.

We dig into how he unlocks creativity in a world changing rapidly with AI: the tension between stability and risk, how leaders create conditions for honesty, and what AI means for the future of creativity and culture. We also get personal: how growing up feeling “othered” shaped Neal’s obsession with belonging and creative safety, why pressure rarely produces great work, and how optimism, resilience, and humility fuel constant reinvention.

In this episode you’ll learn:

  • How to create conditions where pressure drops and creativity rises—even on deadline
  • Why being “in it” with your team beats top-down mandates for great work
  • The key to using AI right now: shrink the problem, play, tweak, learn
  • Why “hard on the work, soft on the people” scales creative excellence
  • How to navigate risk vs. stability when the future (especially with AI) is uncertain

If you care about unlocking world-class ideas in a rapidly changing world, this one is for you.

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place to start. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com slash finding mastery. That's LinkedIn.com

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slash finding mastery to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply. Creatives are inherently

1:23.5

misfit. Inherently don't feel like they belong. And that's their ability to tell the stories because they're outside of that story.

1:29.8

What if the real challenge of creativity isn't coming up with ideas, but creating the conditions where people believe in them enough to fight for them?

1:36.7

Wyden Kennedy, what makes it distinctive is not that it makes good ads. It's that it's this creative culture in a culture where people have been able to come through its doors over 40 years and feel like they're a part of something that they can feel they belong to and feels bigger than themselves. Welcome back. Or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast where we dive into the minds of the world's greatest thinkers and doers. I'm your host, Dr. Michael Jervais, by trade and training a high-performance psychologist. Now, the idea behind

2:00.9

these conversations is simple, to sit with the extraordinarily and to learn, to really learn how they

2:06.2

work from the inside out. This isn't about hacks or shortcuts. It's about understanding what they're

2:10.5

really searching for, how they organize their inner world and the skills they've built to shape

2:15.0

themselves and their craft. Today's conversation is with Neil Arthur, the global CEO of Wyden and Kennedy, the iconic

2:21.8

creative agency behind some of the most culture-shaping campaigns of the last 40 years,

2:26.9

from Nike's Just Do It to campaigns from McDonald's and beyond.

2:30.2

I don't think pressure is good in creative environments. The job of senior leadership is to kind of protect the company from those really explicit pressures. You don't put it just on one person. You don't say, Mike, it's on you. You've got 24 hours. And if you don't come up with something good, you're out of here. Like, that's deadly. Why we wanted to have this conversation is because one of the promises of AI is that it will free up human creativity. Neal leads teams

2:52.8

of incredibly creative people, and we wanted to understand how he unlocks that creativity,

2:57.8

especially in a world that is changing so rapidly with AI. You have to get rid of this notion that

3:02.5

AI is this big capital letters thing and just keep messing with it, have fun doing it, make it

3:07.3

small, make it feel like a thing that we can play with and have fun with it and not feel like there's dire consequences or this thing that we're all waiting for because it feels like right now we're like everybody sitting there waiting for this meteor hit. As you listen, consider what are the conditions in your life and work that help you be more creative and how are you building trust that fosters that creativity in your

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