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How Long Gone

935. - Jago Rackham

How Long Gone

Chris Black & Jason Stewart / Talkhouse

Society & Culture

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Jago Rackham is a chef from London. His wonderful debut book, To Entertain, is out now. We chat about Salone in Milano, the UK cigarette ban, acid reflux, Britain’s obsession with failure, deviated septa, being more brown rice and steamed veg than you’d think, emailing on the medium screen, getting good grades in school while drunk, getting paid in clothes, Waymos with human drivers, how to be a private chef, the sexuality in his cooking, cum protein, crazy frog, and kitchen knives as home defense. instagram.com/ecstasy_cookbook twitter.com/donetodeath twitter.com/themjeans howlonggone.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Bona Jarno, that's how long gone.

0:20.0

Jason, I'm in Milan. it was a beautiful day today i really

0:23.9

got my steps in as they say what's up with you chakris chakris how many steps did you take in italian

0:29.9

please not in the traditional imperial measurement system i need uh oh i've you know kilometers

0:35.7

or meters i apologize i can't you know i can't do that i didn't change the setting in your health app just let you know, kilometers or meters, please. I apologize. I can't, you know, I can't do that.

0:38.5

You can change the setting in your health app, just let you know.

0:40.8

Oh, shit, okay. Well, I'll do that later. Yesterday I did touch 20, which is pretty extreme. I feel like I don't, I didn't feel great. 20,000 steps. Yeah, I didn't feel great. We've had, I feel like, I mean, it's not like a broken record, but the question of footwear does come to mind. I know you travel internationally and you walk a lot. Is this another day spent with sockless penny loafers chewing up those cracker ass heels of yours? My heels look good, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry. For listeners at home, Chris's heels are on flea.

1:12.4

You know I get pedicures. You know I get pedicures. Don't put me on blasty like that. Shea butter, zown. Coconut oil on the face, on the dick, and on the heels. Everywhere. I don't, I actually. Baby feet, baby face, baby dick. you were saying something? I don't. I can't.

1:27.8

I don't even know.

1:28.8

Yeah, I was wearing. Okay, 20,000 steps because you had to look at all the men's wear because you're there for... No, this is not clothing related at all. This is Salone, baby. This is looking at furniture and gay guys. It's totally different. No clothes at all. This has nothing to do with fashioning guys.

1:43.7

This is gay guys stuff, okay?

1:45.6

Michael Scanlan described it as looking at cornwall. totally different. No clothes at all. Okay, this has nothing to do with fashion me, guys. This is gay guys stuff, okay?

1:45.6

Michael Scanlan described it as looking at corners that hot gay guys designed.

1:50.4

And he's exactly right.

1:51.7

I went to look at yesterday.

1:52.4

Yesterday, I went to one of the most beautiful apartments I've ever been in to celebrate Michael Bargo

1:57.0

collaborating with Eve Solomon on some fucking, this guy made uh fur like mink tablecloths

2:04.2

and rugs it's amazing but that's what i'm that's what i'm dealing with here is what i'm saying

2:08.1

we're looking at mink tablecloths so it's a bunch of unemployed people looking at interiors and

2:13.1

then you have a dinner no no that's the thing no it's a bunch of rich people that seem unemployed

2:18.0

but they're all gay and hot that's the confusing no no i was talking about you i was talking about

2:22.8

you oh oh no i think most people are employed in in the in the interiors industry which is

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