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I have a bias. I am absolutely positively 100% biased against sex offenders.

And I will always err on the side of incarcerating someone who victimizes a child.

Does anybody really need to be told don't sexually abuse children?

What they need are standards and what they most need are heavy prosecutions.

These people need to be tossed in the deepest, darkest cell in the world and sat there for years until they understand and are a deterrent for everybody else who's engaging with this kind of.

But that never happens. That's the problem.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds.

And with us today from London is.

No, which is criminal behavioral analyst, former New Scotland Yard and Founder and Director of Paladin National School, he advocate this sir.

And I am Lisa Zambetti. I am the casting director for Criminal Minds where Jim Clemente is my colleague. I have a real interest in Real Crime.

And these minds that solve these crimes.

And with us today, a very special guest in studio is.

Hi, it's francy hakes. I'm a former state and federal prosecutor specializing in crimes against children.

So today we have francy here, who's my cohost on best case worst case. And we have francy is going to talk to us about cases like the ones that we've discussed in the keepers.

Prosecuting child sex crimes cases. Can you tell us what your experiences in that area?

Sure, I've prosecuted a lot of child sex crimes cases. I've had hundreds and hundreds and even thousands of cases of child sexual abuse and child physical abuse.

The cases are very difficult to prosecute. There's no question about it. It's unlike any other crime.

If you think about, for example, a bank robbery or a car theft or a car jacking or someone who is robbed at gunpoint on a street corner, nobody ever really doubts whether those crimes have happened.

There's most often lots of evidence, either eyewitnesses, video surveillance, physical evidence, things are missing.

But when it comes to prosecuting child sexual abuse and child physical abuse, cruelty to children, it's different. There is always a dispute.

The offender says either the crime didn't happen in the case of a child homicide, for example. There's always a dispute about whether it was an accident.

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