I'm talking so much about how this Ford woman's life is getting turned upside down, how crazy

you must be for her. How about how crazy it must be for Kavanaugh, oh, place.

He was through the hard part. He was too though. Okay, just, you know, the rudimentary we got

to vote and do this. I mean, we're down to the right. I'm going to me. And then all of a sudden,

holy crap. Yeah, I got to sit there and testify about something I never did. I don't

know. I don't even know how many I knew what they're talking about being the best judge.

He can be coaching his little girls basketball team, living a great life. Right. Yeah. Ugly

times, ugly, ugly times. And who better to talk to about them than the great PJ O'Rourke,

who is the author of many fine books through the years, including one that I read in my

formative years. This is praise that makes a guy feel old, uh, Parliament of Horace,

which is a great eye opener about the nature of government. PJ's new book is none of my

business. Uh, PJ explains money banking debt, equity assets, liabilities and why he's

not rich. And neither are you here. He is PJ O'Rourke. PJ, how are you, sir? I'm well. How

are you? Terrific. Thank you. I love the description of your career as you're filing stories

for Rolling Stone Atlantic monthly, weekly standard from countries and not the nice ones.

My job was basically to watch people try to kill each other. Sounds like rewarding work.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, instructive work at the very least in, uh, it's how I learned economics.

I mean, some people, uh, study at college, some people learn the school of hard knocks, some

people read up on their own. Uh, I watch people kill each other always for economic reasons.

Interesting. What did you learn from that experience, which would probably take you

up on? I always ask in any situation, including some of the ugly political ones, you were just

talking about who profits from this, who profits from this. And then always remember that

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