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The Counsel of Trent

#895 - Pope Francis and Human Goodness (with Ben Shapiro)

The Counsel of Trent

Catholic Answers

Religion & Spirituality

4.82.4K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2024

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

In this episode Trent sits down with Ben Shapiro and discusses whether human beings are born "good" or "bad."

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0:00.0

Recently I was invited on the Ben Shapiro show to discuss Pope Francis and Catholic teaching on man's goodness.

0:05.4

So I'll share that with you today. But before I do that, I want to give you an update.

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0:39.3

Second when it comes to the interview one thing I didn't mention was that I wish Pope Francis had not said we are fundamentally good.

0:46.5

What gives you hope?

0:48.8

Everything.

0:51.8

One of it. You see tragedies. But you also see so many beautiful things.

0:57.6

You see heroic mothers. Heroic men, we are all fundamentally good.

1:07.0

Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good.

1:12.0

Even though I don't know if that's what he said because other parts of the interview

1:15.6

mistranslate what he says, like how Pope Francis said same-sex unions went against

1:20.6

natural law, but that was mistranslated.

1:23.2

Saying humans are fundamentally good can lead to the false idea that sin is incidental to humanity.

1:29.6

You can say human beings are good because they're made in God's image even though that image is

1:33.6

corrupted by sin. You can also say human beings are evil because we have a nature that tends

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