I'm not pulling on the driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for another drive to work. Coronavirus edition.

So one of the, being home, I've had a lot of chance to talk to people.

And today I have an awesome interview with Richard Garfield. We're going to talk about Tempest.

Hey, Richard.

Hello, Mark.

Okay, so, I'm going to tell the very beginning of this story, and then I'm curious to get your side of this story, which is how you and I ended up on Tempest.

Okay.

Okay, so you had designed Alpha, you did Arabian Nights, and then you went off and were starting to do other things.

You were designing, you know, Vampire the Eternal Struggle and a bunch of other games,

Net Runner and such.

So when I was hired, I was hired in 95 by Mike Davis as a developer and I wanted to be

a designer, but I was told at the time, like, they didn't need designers.

They had you.

They needed developers, and so I got hired as a developer.

But my secret passion was I really wanted to be a designer.

And so I was trying to figure out how I could design magic, what I could do.

And so you and I were talking, and you had said that you were interested in doing magic design again. You hadn't done magic design in a while. And so I took that and ran with it. And I went to

Joel or whoever I had to convince of this and said, Richard, would you let me make a magic set

if Richard did it with me? And they said, uh, sure.

And so my big break was that you were on the team.

That's why they let me do it.

So what is your memory of, how did you remember getting involved in Tempest?

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