So can you say that the behavior of lagging, if we label that way and zooming, are in the same functional class?

I would say often, not always, but often, I would say they are in the same labeled class of some kind of escape avoidance thing going on.

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I'm Hannah Branigan, teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of the book, Awesome Obedience,

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So if you follow me on social media, and this happened more on my personal page and less on my business page, but if you follow me on Facebook or Instagram, you may have caught

a few of the impromptu Facebook live sessions that I was invited into with some of my geeky

training friends over in Europe in the last couple of

weeks. These conversations got pretty nerdy, and they were interesting, they were fun. And we continued

the conversations later through text message, and that led us to more questions. So we decided

to hop on a call together and talk about some of those questions. And then I decided, heck,

I should hit record and let's

turn this into a podcast. And that result is what I'm bringing you this week. So this conversation

is between myself, my friends from Sweden, Eva and Emily of Carpe Momentum, who you've met

several times on the podcast. And also my friend, fellow trainer and student, Agnishka Janarek from Poland, and I hope I pronounce her last name correctly, who recently opened her own online school, Tromplow, which is filled with incredibly nerdy training and behavior classes. In fact, I know that Eva and Emily are teaching a couple of classes over there, which you might be interested in. So you can find

out more information about those by going to their website. Agnishka also has her own podcast,

The Real Dog Talk, which you should check out. I think you'll find a lot of information

that is really interesting over there. I'll link to those things in the show notes for you.

So it's Tromplow, and then the Real dog talk is the podcast. So the topic of our conversation

here on this recording is Zoomis. And in it, we tried to see how we might break down the behavior

or collection of behaviors that we in the dog world commonly refer to as Zumis. And see how it

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