There's a difference between the way they're wording it and what they really mean by it, right?

And so it's written so that they can try to get you to agree with the wording,

but I can't agree with what they want to do with it.

Well, I'm here with Mike Winger who has a great website called Bible thinker,

and he has a YouTube channel where he has done countless hours of Bible study,

but also cultural commentary, biblical commentary, commentary on different cultish ideas

that are coming into the church, different false ideas that are coming into the church.

He talks about everything, Calvinism versus Arminianism.

I mean, you name it and he's probably got a video on it.

And so I am so thrilled to welcome Mike to the show.

Mike, thanks so much for being here.

Oh, thanks for thanks for having me.

And Alisa, I'm excited for you and for how God's growing your platform

and giving you more of a voice.

I think the things that you're sharing are so important for this time that we're in right now.

They're so relevant and important and your new book coming out, which I do have somewhere over here.

All right.

I have too many books, but I can't.

Yes.

Look, twinsies.

Twinsies.

Well, that's awesome.

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