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Today we're going to hear more of our travels in Ukraine and in particular a fascinating interview with Taras Bick,

a political strategist before the war who worked with leading anti-corruption activists, the so-called generation of Maidan, including the mayor of Mikhailayev.

Now his big project is the breakup of the Russian Federation.

Teres, thanks so much for talking to us this evening. Can we go back to Meadhan?

In fact, let's go back a little bit further than that to what you were doing before

Medan and then your involvement in the revolution itself.

So I moved to Kiev in 2006 to work at the presidential secretariat of Viktor Yushchenko.

So we promoted some pro-Ukrainian ideas here.

Well, when the president changed, I was in Brussels, actually, the European Commission having

traineeship and I returned.

We had different president, Viktor Yanukovych.

So obviously it was not the place to work for me.

I left the office and joined International Republican Institute, American Organization, which was responsible for

promoting democracy worldwide. And we had actually many like practical tasks who were working

all over Ukraine, going to different places from Western Ukraine but actually our work was

concentrated mainly in eastern Ukraine and southern Ukraine so including places like

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