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Welcome all to the Most Notorious Podcast. I'm Eric Rivenis. Glad to have you here with me

for another episode of the show. So a great episode today. I'm very happy to have as

my guest Karen Diabas, author of a fascinating book called The Witch of Del Rey, Rose Veris

and Detroit's infamous 1930s murder mystery. Thanks for joining me.

Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled. I feel like I have a decent

size knowledge of American true crime history, but I haven't heard of this before. Is this

a well-known story in Michigan? In Michigan and locally in Detroit, it is part of several

history tours and every now and again it gets dragged out, especially around Halloween

because of the witch nickname that Rose was given. So it seems to be somewhat of a regional

or maybe Midwestern folk tale. How did you decide to pick the topic? Where did you first

hear about this? Well this was a fun one because I had always loved true crime as a reader.

Never to do it as a writer. And a friend of mine had noticed in our local newspaper to

the Detroit Free Press does a lot of fun feature writing, especially on the weekend. So one

of my favorite writers there had been assigned to go on a tour, the local cemetery called Woodmere

where Rose is buried, with having a group of herst owners, like a herst club come in and

they were going to drive around the cemetery and see some of the notable people who were

buried there. You know everything from the guy who started Verner's to you name it,

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