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Hello everyone and welcome back to the next segment in my interview with Kirk and Karen Strong. It's November 22, 2017.

We spent the early part of the day talking about their experiences in the LDS Church, their marriage about Kirk working at BYU for many years and teaching Book of Mormon and Religion at BYU for many years.

Karen, how she gave up law school and a potential professional career to be an LDS mother and housewife, how they for many many years believed in Orthodox Mormonism and were very devout.

But over time as adults started feeling more and more like the church was kind of going astray. We talked about how they really started feeling that way in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s and then about how they learned about Denver Stuffer and the books that he was releasing and how Karen started down the road of really starting to follow a different path and how Kirk trail by a few years.

But by let's just say 2013, 2013-ish Kirk was ready to retire after receiving a revelation.

Kirk received sort of a revelation telling it was time to retire from BYU and Karen had already been rebaptized twice by that point and they were ready to follow the teachings of Christ as conveyed by Denver Stuffer and others more devoutly.

So that's kind of where we are. Did I summarize it okay? Yeah.

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And so now the way we left it was that you guys Kirk you retired from BYU got rebaptized.

You got rebaptized with them, right Karen? For your third time, right?

And so let's talk about how your relationship with the church started to fray. Who wants to begin?

Well, we had a friend that actually when we were talking casually, he was alarmed at our statement that we didn't really think that President

Watson was a true profiteer and revelator. We thought that he was a great president and a very good man.

And he immediately caught on the phone and called our state president and said that we needed some attention of some sort.

Okay, so how did this person find out about your beliefs? What happened?

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