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Mormon Stories Podcast

836: Karen and Kirk Strong - Doctrine of Christ (Snuffer) Movement Pt. 2

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.65.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2017

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

Beginning a new series on the Doctrine of Christ (Snuffer) Movement, we interview Karen and Kirk Strong about their faith journey. Both were excommunicated from the LDS Church for their beliefs and participation in the movement.

One of the hallmark teachings of this movement is that “The Fullness of the Gospel is literally entering into the presence of Jesus Christ while in the flesh; personal redemption from the Fall is attained in no other way.” Prophets play an important role in the movement by plainly and boldly declaring this gospel to all. With no paid clergy, believers gather together in small groups or fellowships. Equality is an important principle to believers, as shown by the unique responsibilities given to women that are not available to those in the mainstream Mormon Church.

This is Karen and Kirk’s experience leaving the mainstream LDS Church and joining the movement in their search to receive the Living Savior.

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Can you guys remind us, as I understand it, and I never really read the book of Mormon through these eyes or the Doctrine and Covenants, can you guys remind us of the scriptures that speak the LDS scriptures or the New Testament scriptures that speak very directly to

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you know, encouraging us to seek a personal relationship with and or a personal visitation from Christ. Just remind us.

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The NC 931. What does it say? Approximately.

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Well, it says it gives you an invitation to seek His face.

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Tell you how to do it, the process of coming under Christ.

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Okay, are you looking at Denver, are the New Scriptures produced? No, no, no, no, no, no, they're still.

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Okay, they're not in print yet.

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Okay, they're saying to the Lord, it shall come to pass to the every soul who forsake of His sins and come at them to me and call the thought of my name and obeyeth my voice and keepeth my commandments shall see my face and know that I am.

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And some people would say, well, that means in the judgment and the second coming.

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Well, then all you got to do is go to the DNC 76 and you go in and pick up a couple of verses, around 74 and 118. It says no in the flesh.

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And then there's also John, the gospel of John. I believe it's a chapter 14.

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But the pick one is, and I keep bringing up, the pick one is, Moses was trying to take all of Israel up the Mount Sinai.

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He's not going to kill him and then say, see him in the spirit.

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He's taking them up in the flesh up to Mount Sinai. He wants to do that.

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And he tells you that the ordinances of the higher priesthood are going to make that available to the people.

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Well, why is he talking like that? And then he comes down from the mountain and the people they don't want to do that.

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And he says what the thing is is when the children of Israel fail to respond to the invitation to come into the presence of the Father, which is the fullness of the gospel.

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They, Section 84 teaches you that this angered God, this causes his wrath when he extends an invitation to you and you refuse to accept it.

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