Okay, I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work, coronavirus edition. Okay, so I've been doing a lot of talking with different R&D folk of present and past. Today's present. So I have Ken Nago with me to talk about World Wake. Hey, Ken.

Hey, Mark. I'm excited to be here and so I talk about World Wake. Hey, Ken. Hey, Mark.

I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to talk about World Wake.

It's my favorite set of all time.

So it was your first design lead, right?

Yes, it was my first job of Zendikar.

And it was pretty early.

In fact, I remember being in the office with you and Bill Rose,

and you're like, we'd like you to lead World Wake.

It's a little, like, early and rough, but we'd like you to go for it because it's a small set, you know, and I was on the big set

Zendicar, so.

So recently I did a podcast with Matt Place where we talked all about Zendikar.

So this is kind of a follow-up to that, because this is the set after Zendikar.

Okay, so let's talk a little bit.

So you had been on the design team for Zendikar, and we approached you to leading the set.

This was the first set you were going to lead.

So what did you do to prepare for leading the set?

Well, the first biggest preparation was to be on the set before it, Zendikar, to learn that in and out.

Because a lot of the stuff that was made in Zendikar was sort of on the cutting room floor

and all became potential stuff to put in the expansion, right?

And then the other thing that I did was there was a lot of card designs that I sort of was brainstorming up into that point.

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