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And welcome to what absolutely,

positively, 100% I'm not even messing with you this time

to be a fantastic episode of Dogma debate, because Dallas

Duff is here, and it's always a fantastic episode when Dallas Duff is here. Dallas, I'm going to frame you,

and then you can reframe, if you like. He's a conservative. He voted for Trump. I wouldn't call him

an outright Trump supporter supporter he's not a

cultist by any stretch of the imagination in fact i'd like to just share with you one quick detail i

think i said this once before on the show but it really warmed my little liberal heart one time i got a

text from dallas that just said can you recommend some progressive podcasts so that I can

expand my horizons and hear other opinions? And I said, you know what, Dallas Duff is the real

deal. And with that, Dallas Duff, welcome back to Dogma Debate.

Hey, hey, always, it was great to be here. Thanks for having me.

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