All right, friends, you ready for this one. I have on the show, the one and only Dr. Michael Heiser.

He might be one of the more requested guests that I've been told that I need to have on the show.

Michael Heiser is, how do I describe Michael Heiser?

He is a top-notch Old Testament scholar.

He's got a PhD from University of Wisconsin-Madison. For those who

don't know that is a one of the highest level universities when it comes to

Semitic Old Testament ancient Neary studies and he wrote a super

provocative book called the unseen realm and his understanding of the Bible his understanding of the Bible,

his understanding of the Old Testament,

in particular, his understanding of God

and the divine counsel that we'll get into

is really kind of mind-blowing.

And as I said in the conversation,

the stuff he talks about isn't super disputed

among scholarly circles.

I remember first reading this book,

and I was like,

yeah, this seems like what I learned when I started studying the Old Testament really on an in-depth level.

But I think some of his claims, some of his, the points that he's going to make is kind of new to people in Christianity

who haven't dug super-deep into the Old Testament.

We're going to talk about demons.

We're going to talk about the Nephilim and giants. We're going to talk about the Nephleim and Giants.

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