I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive-to-work.

Coronavirus edition. Okay, so I've been doing a lot of interviews that is not going to stop

until I guess the pandemic stops. But today I have a fun guest. So Olivia Gobert Hicks.

Hi. How are you, Mark?

So, one of the things I've been trying to do with these interviews is show the breadth of the

world of magic.

And so you're a really good example of somebody who really, like a lot of my interviews

are behind the scenes.

You're not behind the scenes.

You're a magic player.

So I want to talk all about your magic experience.

So let's go at the very beginning.

How did you first learn about magic?

So I first knew about magic. I want to say, well, when did it come out when it was about

seven or eight? And my next door, my across-the-street neighbor that I hung out with all the time

actually got a bunch of cards and, you know, played with his friends in middle school or whatever.

And always saw the

cards, love the art, but never really got into the game. So I've been aware of it for as long as it's

existed. Through high school, my friend group all played, loved playing, constantly tried to get me

into it. It's like, eh, it's all right. You know, I've got X, Y, or Z going on. So finally, I want to say we were all in the same

city. We're all in the San Francisco Bay Area in about 2014 in like the summer. And they were

going to be doing this big barbecue. And I, you know, came over and everything. And they're like,

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