I'm not pulling out of the driveway.

We all know what that means.

It's time for another drive to work, coronavirus edition.

Okay, guys, as you know, every week, I've been having, while I've been stuck at home,

I've been having interviews with people from Magic's past and present and maybe future.

So today's comes from the past, I guess, and the present, but more, more of Magic's Past.

I have Charlie Catino.

Hello.

Okay, so, Charlie, the question I always start when I interview people is asking them how they first learned magic.

And yours is a very good story.

So, Charlie, how did you first learn magic?

Richard Garfield taught me how to play. So I was one of the original playtesters of the game,

and he brought me in pretty early on. I wasn't in the very first group of playtesters that he

had, but I was in there pretty early on. I knew Richard. We played lots of other types of games

together, and so I was lucky enough to be one of the

people who Richard showed the game of magic too very early on.

So what was it like?

What does he show you?

Like, this is super early.

What were you actually seeing?

It was a playable game.

He was still iterating at the time and improving it, but it was a playable game. He was still iterating at the time and improving it, but it was a playable game.

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