Yeah, and we're starting to learn that now. Like I said, at first, I was like, they have to be

interdicting if something has to be happening. What it was was they were up on wiretaps and they were

listening, which actually makes it more appalling to me because you know what they're doing in advance of them

going, I mean, we would get the calls from the gun dealers, right? But the other thing that's appalling about that is

they're the gun dealers are calling them. So they know that these guys are going to the gun dealers before they go there. They're

getting the calls from the gun dealers like we did. Now the gun dealers are still selling these guns thinking that ATF is

interdicting them, not knowing that ATF's watching them ride off into the sunset. So while this is going on, and it's

this again, this is not something I'm seeing firsthand, but I'm, you know, I'm putting the puzzle pieces

together in my head. And then several meters meetings later, Brian Terry gets killed.

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Yeah, I did the tunnel towers run this year. That's what you're right. It's an amazing organization. I didn't run it. I'm not going

to lie and say I ran the whole 5K. I probably ran about half of it. Yeah, but you only have half a long. I mean, you only have

half your lung capacity, right? Yeah, but both my kids and the gentleman I believe is going to be my future son-of-a-law ran it with me. So we've

turned it into a family thing to pay tribute to the folks that fell on that day.

Very nice. You know, a lot of the statistical databases that are out there that show the deaths of police officers, they include

9-11 related deaths now. Yeah, that's one of the categories. And they should be added to the wall. I mean, the folks

like that ought to be added to the wall in Washington DC, the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial, they ought to have their names

up there. I know they were doing some of that with COVID. Well, if you can do it with COVID, folks, you can do it with 9-11.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because they're just out there helping people.

Yeah. Well, how long were you assigned to 9-11 duties before you went back to doing ATF stuff?

Well, the first month, we pretty much were only doing 9-11 related stuff.

And then after that, it was like you could volunteer a day or two here or there, either work on the pile or work out

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