8 - Uncertainty in Medicine: Precision in Motion with Chris Aiken
The Nocturnists
Emily Silverman
4.8 • 614 Ratings
🗓️ 22 May 2025
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
Today, we step into the dance studio with improvisational dance artist Chris Aiken, whose work lives at the intersection of uncertainty, movement, and presence. With insights that resonate far beyond the dance studio, Chris explores how attention, poetic instinct, and even failure are essential tools for responding creatively under pressure—much like an ER doctor at a moment of crisis.
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The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation.
The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you.
Host: Emily Silverman, MD
Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller
Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo
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| 1:01.0 | I think people don't understand that you can prepare for improvising. |
| 1:06.0 | Not just by improvising, but also working with discipline with known things. |
| 1:15.8 | Like, I have 101 ways to fall down. |
| 1:19.0 | I have many ways to balance, many ways to resolve certain situations so that I'm not worried about my safety. |
| 1:29.4 | This is the nocturness, uncertainty in medicine. |
| 1:32.8 | I'm Emily Silverman. |
| 1:34.9 | Today we're talking to improvisational dance artist Chris Aiken. |
| 1:40.3 | Although uncertainty is everywhere in medicine, most of us do our best to avoid it. |
| 1:46.0 | Chris, on the other hand, seeks uncertainty out. |
| 1:49.0 | He teaches at Smith College in Western Massachusetts, and his life's work is about getting on stage without a plan, responding to the unknown in real time, literally moving through uncertainty. So we rang up Chris to see if he might |
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