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Gender: A Wider Lens

8 - TransGenerational Wisdom: A conversation with Buck Angel

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2021

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Buck Angel transitioned in 1994 and now lives happily as a 58-year-old transsexual man. Buck describes his rollercoaster with gender dysphoria and explains why he was willing to become a medical guinea pig when he first transitioned. Buck talks about the importance of owning his sexuality within a transsexual body and he also provides a critique of the modern flavor of the transgender movement.

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Extended Notes

  • Who is Buck and what has his transition journey been like?
  • Buck suffered a lot with coming to terms with this new identity. He tried to commit suicide at 16.
  • When did Buck first hear about transitioning from a therapist?
  • Buck went in and out of therapy. Therapists didn’t believe him when he said, “I feel like a man.”
  • Finally, one therapist recognized Buck’s confusion and just listened. She saved his life.
  • Nobody understood Buck. In 78, this was just unheard of. Buck got committed to a psych ward.
  • How did Buck become a model?
  • Buck ended up getting addicted to drugs and alcohol. It ended with him becoming a prostitute.
  • Buck is proud of his pornography work and shares a little bit about what that experience was like.
  • If you’re not attracted to a trans person, does that make you transphobic?
  • You should disclose if you are trans! Buck gets a lot of hate for this.
  • Why does Buck still have female body parts?
  • Buck talks about having an orgasm for the very first time in his late 20s/early 30s.
  • Buck has become a guinea pig in the medical world to better understand gender dysphoria.
  • Buck had the mantra of, “If it doesn’t work out, I will kill myself.”
  • Buck talks about what medical things went wrong for him during his transition.
  • Buck tries to explain some of the consequences these treatments have on your body. They’re harsh on your body.
  • Being trans feels like a full-time job.
  • Why are people detransitioning?
  • What’s missing in the conversation when we talk about transitioning?
  • Buck is a very controversial figure in the trans community. He clears the air on why he believes what he believes.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:37.5

In today's interview with Buck Angel,

0:39.6

we discussed some sensitive adult topics around sexuality.

0:43.2

Just wanted to give you a heads up in case there are kids around.

0:46.5

Here's our conversation with Buck.

0:48.8

Hi there, so today we have, Estelle and I have the pleasure of interviewing Buck Angel on our show.

0:55.8

So hi Buck and welcome to our program.

0:58.8

Hi, thank you.

1:00.0

Thank you so much.

1:01.0

I don't want to say ladies in case it's misgendering.

1:03.0

We're ladies. I think that's fine. I'll speak on my behalf.

1:08.0

You can call me a lady.

1:10.0

You can call me a lady.

1:12.0

Thank you.

1:13.0

I appreciate you very much.

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